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SEC Comment Letter for BOC GROUP PLC (CIK 0000715095) — Jul 27, 2005

BOC GROUP PLC (CIK 0000715095)
Date: July 27, 2005 · CIK: 0000715095 · Accession: 0000000000-05-038576

AI Filing Summary & Sentiment

Referenced dates: April 11, 2005, May 13, 2005

Date
July 26, 2005
Author
John Cash
Form
UPLOAD
Company
BOC GROUP PLC (CIK 0000715095)

Letter

Mail Stop 7010 July 26, 2005 Mr. Alan Ferguson The BOC Group plc Chertsey Road, Windlesham Surrey, GU20 6HJ United Kingdom

Re: The BOC Group plc Form 20-F for the year ended September 30, 2004 File No. 0-10906

Dear Mr. Ferguson:

We have reviewed your response letter dated May 13, 2005 and have the following additional comments. Where indicated, we think you should revise your document in response to these comments. If you disagree, we will consider your explanation as to why our comment is inapplicable or a revision is unnecessary. Please be as detailed as necessary in your explanation. In some of our comments, we may ask you to provide us with information so we may better understand your disclosure. After reviewing this information, we may raise additional comments.

FORM 20-F FOR THE PERIOD ENDED SEPTEMBER 30, 2004

Item 18 - Financial Statements for the Year Ended September 30,

Accounting Policies - Revenue Recognition

1. We note your response to comment 7 from our letter dated April 11, 2005 concerning sales of liquid product where such product is delivered to storage vessels that are installed at your customers` premises but are owned by you. It remains unclear to us that your provision of storage vessels to your customers in such transactions is not a leasing transaction within the scope of EITF 01-8 under US GAAP. We note your statement that these transactions are not dependent on the use of specified storage vessels; however, it is not clear to us that storage vessels are not implicitly specified. Please provide us with the following additional information:

* Please tell us if the fixed charge to your customer in exchange for the use of the storage vessel changes if you replace the storage vessel with one of a different size. * Please tell us how often during the last three years you have actually replaced the original storage vessel with another storage vessel in these types of contracts. Please express your response as a percentage of all such applicable contracts. * Please provide us with your analysis of whether these arrangements convey to your customers the right to use your storage vessels under the criteria of paragraph 12 of EITF 01-8. * Please provide us with your analysis of whether the provision of these storage vessels qualify as capital leases under SFAS 13. We note your statement that these contracts generally last from one to seven years. * If you conclude that the provision of these storage vessels qualify as leases pursuant to EITF 01-8, please provide us, and disclose in future filings, your revenue recognition policies related to these leases and the disclosures required by paragraph 23 of SFAS 13. Please also tell us the impact, if any, on your historical financial statements if you determine that these storage vessels should have been accounted for as leases.

* * *

Please respond to these comments within 10 business days, or tell us when you will provide us with a response. Please provide us with a response letter that keys your responses to our comments and provides any requested information. Detailed letters greatly facilitate our review. Please understand that we may have additional comments after reviewing your responses to our comments.

If you have any questions regarding these comments, please direct them to Jennifer Thompson, Staff Accountant, at (202) 551- or, in her absence, to Jeanne Baker, Assistant Chief Accountant, at (202) 551-3691 or the undersigned at (202) 551-3768.

Sincerely,
John Cash
Accounting Branch Chief

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      Mail Stop 7010

      July 26, 2005

Mr. Alan Ferguson
The BOC Group plc
Chertsey Road, Windlesham
Surrey, GU20 6HJ United Kingdom

      Re:	The BOC Group plc
		Form 20-F for the year ended September 30, 2004
      File No. 0-10906

Dear Mr. Ferguson:

      We have reviewed your response letter dated May 13, 2005 and
have the following additional comments.  Where indicated, we think
you should revise your document in response to these comments.  If
you disagree, we will consider your explanation as to why our
comment
is inapplicable or a revision is unnecessary.  Please be as
detailed
as necessary in your explanation.  In some of our comments, we may
ask you to provide us with information so we may better understand
your disclosure.  After reviewing this information, we may raise
additional comments.

FORM 20-F FOR THE PERIOD ENDED SEPTEMBER 30, 2004

Item 18 - Financial Statements for the Year Ended September 30,
2004

Accounting Policies - Revenue Recognition

1. We note your response to comment 7 from our letter dated April
11,
2005 concerning sales of liquid product where such product is
delivered to storage vessels that are installed at your customers`
premises but are owned by you.  It remains unclear to us that your
provision of storage vessels to your customers in such
transactions
is not a leasing transaction within the scope of EITF 01-8 under
US
GAAP.  We note your statement that these transactions are not
dependent on the use of specified storage vessels; however, it is
not
clear to us that storage vessels are not implicitly specified.
Please provide us with the following additional information:

* Please tell us if the fixed charge to your customer in exchange
for
the use of the storage vessel changes if you replace the storage
vessel with one of a different size.
* Please tell us how often during the last three years you have
actually replaced the original storage vessel with another storage
vessel in these types of contracts.  Please express your response
as
a percentage of all such applicable contracts.
* Please provide us with your analysis of whether these
arrangements
convey to your customers the right to use your storage vessels
under
the criteria of paragraph 12 of EITF 01-8.
* Please provide us with your analysis of whether the provision of
these storage vessels qualify as capital leases under SFAS 13.  We
note your statement that these contracts generally last from one
to
seven years.
* If you conclude that the provision of these storage vessels
qualify
as leases pursuant to EITF 01-8, please provide us, and disclose
in
future filings, your revenue recognition policies related to these
leases and the disclosures required by paragraph 23 of SFAS 13.
Please also tell us the impact, if any, on your historical
financial
statements if you determine that these storage vessels should have
been accounted for as leases.

*	*	*

		Please respond to these comments within 10 business
days,
or tell us when you will provide us with a response.  Please
provide
us with a response letter that keys your responses to our comments
and provides any requested information.  Detailed letters greatly
facilitate our review.  Please understand that we may have
additional
comments after reviewing your responses to our comments.

      If you have any questions regarding these comments, please
direct them to Jennifer Thompson, Staff Accountant, at (202) 551-
3737
or, in her absence, to Jeanne Baker, Assistant Chief Accountant,
at
(202) 551-3691 or the undersigned at (202) 551-3768.

      Sincerely,

      John Cash
      Accounting Branch Chief

Mr. Alan Ferguson
The BOC Group plc
July 26, 2005
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UNITED STATES
SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20549-7010

         DIVISION OF
CORPORATION FINANCE

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